IDK man i see your point but I feel there is more nuance to the subject than just saying wow is p2w because of the tokens, Puting myself in their shoes, it makes more sense to do the inveitable RMT from their platform than from a sketchy website that you can also get scammed from (not a justification, just another way of looking at it) Because as long as players can buy gold with money, whether it's coming from the game it'self or other players, they are "Paying to win", and the reason i am reluctant to look at WOW like that is because they also take steps to limit this, because all of the end game gear has to physically be farmed and even if you buy carries, you can't buy carries past mythic+18 or higher because your contribution will be needed or your group will fail the higher you up you go with dungeons and Raids. Thus with the same logic every single game on the market is P2W, and if that"s how we are looking at it, it's kind of ridiculous but I guess. Which you can also currently do in every single game that has trading enabled. That's kind of my point, If wow did not sell tokens it would still be P2W by the logic you provided because you would just use a website to buy gold and still be able to do everything that you mentioned. "The basic P2W meaning is that something is ' pay to win'"- I pay money (and don't break the ToS), I beat you in a duel/Mythic + run or whatever contest you want to engage in because with that money I directly buy power (better items/enchants/gems), I win, simple. You can buy gold directly, with gold you can buy items, directly on the AH, and if you wanna bring the argument that "YeAh BuT tHaT iS nOt ThE bEsT gEaR", you can buy, indirectly, Mythic runs, M+ runs, Rating boosts in Arena, which directly bring you better items/status.Īlso, if me and you start a fresh character, as soon as both of us reach 70, I can buy with money ( $ -> token -> gold which is ToS approved and in no way related to RMT, it's an IN GAME feature) the best items on the AH with the highest ilvl existing there, best enchants, best gems and come duel you an whoop your ass. Genuinely curious but at the same time you already know what makes WoW P2W but are to ignorant or don't want to accept it aye? IF YOU SEND A MESSAGE TO THE MODS ABOUT A POST YOU MADE INCLUDE A LINK TO THAT POST. Click the topics to find a list of past threads and to suggest your own for the future!Īlso did I mention we have a Discord server? Requested subreddits must have 1,000+ subscribers and have at least 2 posts a day to be considered. Or in some cases you voted for themįor any inquiries or additions, feel free to message the moderators. These subreddits aren't strictly MMO(RPG)s but they offer MMO-like qualities and are frequently discussed here. You can find our channel here More MMORPG InformationĪ community for casual gamers looking to play MMOs and other games together! We have a Discord! Many complain they can't find our Discord so I put it here with some extra flair so you can't miss our partnered Discord server. Don't advertise NFT, Cryptocurrency, and/or Blockchain MMORPGs.Don't advertise private servers - there are exceptions read the rules.Read the self promo rules before you promote your work! Click to read them.
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